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Sloppy Joe, Sloppy Sloppy Joe!
Quick Chek sells a sloppy joe sub, that consists of turkey with coleslaw and russian dressing. C&Js in Madison sells a sloppy joe sandwich which consists of turkey, roast beef, or ham on rye with coleslaw and russian dressing. Delis throughout the area sell the same thing, as do diners. This is an old concoction, brought over from the old country, originally a ``Sloppy Giovanni'' or the like.

Adam Sandler songs, crappy school vomitoriums, and supermarkets of the commoners sell some manwich-like substance that they label as a ``sloppy joe''. Americans bastardized this naming convention, twisting it and warping it in their greedy ways, stamping out other cultures or beliefs, leaving the poor excuse for a sloppy joe that kids get today in school. A disgusting mess of a sandwich.

Poll #156801 Sloppy joe, sloppy sloppy joe!

What is a Sloppy Joe in your mind? A true Sloppy Joe? Pick one or the other!

A sandwich, usually on rye bread, usually tripple decker, containing: ham, roast beef, and/or turkey, coleslaw, and russian dressing
Some sort of stupid manwich-y thing with tomato and/or chili sauce on a roll with chopped up beef

UPDATE: Check this out! Hell yeah!

FINAL UPDATE: Almost 100 posts, over 60 votes, rock on. Read this, and thanks for the good times!

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kikibird From: kikibird Date: July 14th, 2003 07:49 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
results viewable to none? are you planning on cheating?
runstaverun From: runstaverun Date: July 14th, 2003 08:13 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
kingfox_lite would never think of cheating!
noelr From: noelr Date: July 14th, 2003 09:44 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Is this some sort of fucked up Jersey thing like mandatory full-service gas?

I have been an active member of this culture for a quarter century, and this is the first time I have ever heard that there was more than one definition for a sloppy joe. I have never ever, in my life, or in my voluminous readings, encountered sloppy joe as anything other than the manwich-y thing.
celaeno From: celaeno Date: July 14th, 2003 10:07 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Is this some sort of fucked up Jersey thing like mandatory full-service gas?

1) Well, to be fair, Oregon's got mandatory full-service gas, too.

2) I've also never encountered another definition of sloppy joe aside from the manwich thing.

3) I just read the disgusting link. Holy crap.
crimson117 From: crimson117 Date: July 15th, 2003 06:08 am (UTC) (Hard link)
It all comes down to which sandwich is sloppier, and in the end, a strudy italian sub with russian dressing is no competition for the awesome sloppy might of bolonese-sauce poured between two pieces of bread. If you think an italian/russian sub is sloppier, then you haven't seen me eat a real sloppy joe.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: July 15th, 2003 07:09 am (UTC) (Hard link)
Then you haven't seen me eat a real sloppy joe. Small children are lost in the process.
daylami From: daylami Date: July 15th, 2003 11:44 am (UTC) (Hard link)

"Aaagh! My Mon-wich!"

Now I'm extra-confused because already I was unable to tell the difference between a "Sloppy Joe" as I know it and the "Manwich," even though the Manwich claimed itself to be superior. It never occurred to me that this would be a bastardisation of another sandwich that *also* looks nasty. Huhruh.

I always refused to eat that shit anyway. It's orange, for crying out loud, and it's called a "Sloppy Joe." Barf.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: July 15th, 2003 12:37 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
Well, now you know that you have another option - the true ``Sloppy Joe'', which isn't orange or nasty.
noelr From: noelr Date: July 15th, 2003 01:44 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

late-breaking news

kingfox From: kingfox Date: July 15th, 2003 01:54 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Seen that, they're wrong

That's what they want you to think. They want you to forget that, like so many people named Giovanni brought here from the old country, the name was bastardized. The Sloppy Giovanni, the traditional sandwich from long ago, insultingly changed by Americans during the Great Depression. We've made this quite clear. Yeah, that dates to the 30's. Notice it says ``US'' in the entry even linked there. Go back before we raped and pillaged the sandwich's very meaning, and you'll see the truth. The real one is from the old country. Like hiphopatcong said.

When you bring over some Italians, and I mean real Italians, I'll listen.
celaeno From: celaeno Date: July 15th, 2003 02:48 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Sorry, Russ

If this:

is a lie, it has spread. I posed the question to damnportlanders, and people from across the country agree that the above sandwich is a sloppy joe. No one yet has heard of the rye/meat/russian/cole slaw sandwich.

Incidentally, picture comes from a GIS for sloppy joe. Google agrees with the majority.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: July 15th, 2003 02:56 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Cuban raft people disagree!

Read this post. The original, as blackbytes pointed out, had tongue on it. That version is a bastardization.
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noelr From: noelr Date: July 15th, 2003 04:58 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

not for nothing, but

this is the 80th comment made on this page. I had no idea sandwich terminology got people so passionate. or is it just me, and I have no life?
kingfox From: kingfox Date: July 15th, 2003 05:42 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

A little from column A...

You have no life, and today I did many things at work that had break periods. Tell the Thinkpad to install a bunch of stuff, debate with you while it installs. Make a bunch of modifications, reboot, debate with you while it boots up. Install Windows XP service pack 1, get a drink, talk with windexcowboy, debate with you, and walk around for a while.
cell13 From: cell13 Date: July 15th, 2003 07:16 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
dude, i believe the sandwich you are talkin' about is a variation on the ruben. western culture has bastardized many things, sandwiches are not left out. i'm a chef and i have worked in the industry for many years and i have seen lots of different interpretations of almost everything-they change regionally and every chef adds there own little thing to the mix so of course the ppl they train get new versions etc etc.

motto: DON'T TRUST FOOD. also, don't trust a skinny chef.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: July 15th, 2003 07:59 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
Woah. How did you come to find this entry? I'm curious as to the chain.

Anyway, would you be willing to accept that the sloppy joe with chili sauce and tomato and the sloppy joe composed of tongue, russian dressing, coleslaw, and bacon on rye are two different interpretations of the same Cuban sandwich? That one became, due to the Depression, more popular than the other - which might in fact be closer to the original?
blackbytes From: blackbytes Date: July 15th, 2003 08:58 pm (UTC) (Hard link)


My comments'll probably get lost in the shuffle, but I did vote on the poll. Sorry, Kingfox. It's what was for dinner...
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