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Important people we talked about on FidoNet back in the day

Do you know who "Stormin'" Norman Schwarzkopf is?


Who is he?

Do you know who Rodney King is?


Who is he?

One of the student employees in training knew who the former was. Two of them knew who the latter was, and another two had heard the famous phrase. They wouldn't get most of the references in Cripple Smash.

A few years ago, I figured out exactly what the cutoff date was for students to not know who Sam Kinison was, though most of them would then know who I was talking about if I mentioned "Back to School" and described his character. It was, I think, the class of 2002 or 2003. It's been a while, I might have forgotten. Anyone from then on didn't know him, anyone from earlier did. The more recent classes don't even know him with the assist of the "Back to School" reference. I wish I could sit down a bunch of 'em and figure out the cutoff years for the above early nineties figures.

A week ago, someone mailed out this list about the current incoming college class. After forwarding it to shmivejournal, we laughed about it for a bit.
(10:51:20 AM) kingfox: Like some are good, but others are just utter crap. "Smoking has never been allowed in public spaces in France."
(10:54:01 AM) shmivejournal: i think that if someone has no knowledge of 'the kids' memorizing a little list ain't gonna help
(10:54:25 AM) kingfox: "Oh, I'm sorry, Avatars have nothing to do with Hindu deities for you, I'm so sorry!"
(11:18:46 AM) shmivejournal: Being a latchkey kid has never been a big deal.
(11:18:54 AM) shmivejournal: that is valid
(11:18:59 AM) shmivejournal: it's not even really a term anymore

Current Location: Drew University, Madison, NJ
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Listening to: Lands of Confusion

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abmann From: abmann Date: August 30th, 2007 04:03 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
You have no idea how much us Beloit students hate that list. Professor McBride tended to use that against us in some of his classes.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: August 30th, 2007 04:36 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
Hahahah, how the hell did he do that?

"Your point is excellent, but you were born after we had already pulled out of Vietnam!"
abmann From: abmann Date: August 30th, 2007 04:42 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
McBride teaches a lot of semiotics, memetics and structural interpretation classes. Our answers could, potentially, be incorrect or incomplete because of our life experience. Were we missing something he viewed as integral to the interpretation of X work, he could hold it against us.

Good thing, though, is that he was the single most bullshit-susceptible professor on the planet. You could circumlocute your way to an "A." :)
mineral2 From: mineral2 Date: August 30th, 2007 04:30 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
Just wait. In eight years or so, that list will read: Star Wars always began with Episode I.

Or "The original Star Wars Trilogy always had CGI effects."
abmann From: abmann Date: August 30th, 2007 04:43 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
Han always shot first. :)
kingfox From: kingfox Date: August 30th, 2007 04:49 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
Heh. Most recent version lets you have it both ways, even Lucas joins in on the hooplah.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: August 30th, 2007 04:43 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
It's depressing that you were born after the Falklands War, and Ma Bell's always been broken up!!!
mineral2 From: mineral2 Date: August 30th, 2007 05:26 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
Hey, I was born only 5 days after the Falklands War ended. Its too bad the lists don't go back any further. What was the mindset of your original graduating class?
kingfox From: kingfox Date: August 30th, 2007 05:40 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
Even the one for two years after my original class seems so foreign to me. I remember "Where's the Beef?", "Da plane", pre-Leno Tonight Show, beige M&Ms, black and white television, Mork, MTV with music, and the Challenger blowing up - despite it being two years off. What about you? Does this list hold any water with you?
mineral2 From: mineral2 Date: August 30th, 2007 06:51 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
They have never heard a phone "ring."
I grew up with a rotary phone with a bell in it. We only got rid of it last year when my parents moved.
They have never used a bottle of "White Out."
I still use white out... from a bottle.
Woodstock is a bird or a reunion, not a cultural touchstone.
I think we all knew what Woodstock was.
Around-the-clock coverage of congress, public affairs, weather reports, and rock videos has always been available on cable.
Actually, we didn't get cable until the 90's.. or late 80's. Anyway, I remember life before cable. That old Sylvania TV with the 13-channel dial was the one I took to College. It bit the dust Freshman year along with our first VCR.

I certainly remember the "Kennedy Tragedy" that happened while I was in high school. I remember Kurt Cobain's death, though I was uninterested at the time due to my limited music interests. Other than that, much of life before 1989 is a blur.
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kingfox From: kingfox Date: August 30th, 2007 04:55 pm (UTC) (Hard link)


Nothing better to do with their time? These people are paid to be scholars making stuff like this list up.

And the list is interesting, through not the "I grok you because I know the Berlin Wall has never existed in your lifetime" that some might assume, I think.
runstaverun From: runstaverun Date: August 30th, 2007 08:26 pm (UTC) (Hard link)


Next year's students will have been born in a world without the country in which I was born!
lizzyfur From: lizzyfur Date: August 30th, 2007 04:57 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
for a minute i felt like i was back in academic decathalon again =)
kingfox From: kingfox Date: August 31st, 2007 01:37 am (UTC) (Hard link)
I guess my readers would hold their own in that!
normajean From: normajean Date: August 30th, 2007 05:56 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
The question for me becomes "do I know these things because I remember them, or do I know these things because I am a culture sponge and watched too much Vh1 'I Love the 90s?'"
kingfox From: kingfox Date: August 30th, 2007 07:49 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
I know my knowledge of things like Fantasy Island (on the list for the class two younger than me) comes from midday summer reruns, not actually seeing it. Nick at Nite is probably responsible for a whole generational cultural reference shift.
celaeno From: celaeno Date: August 30th, 2007 06:01 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
I don't know who Sam Kinison is.

On the other hand, I'm the only person at work under the age of, oh, maybe 50, who knows who Ralph Kramden is.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: August 30th, 2007 06:07 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
dewgirl From: dewgirl Date: August 30th, 2007 10:58 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
I don't either. High school class of '97.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: August 31st, 2007 01:36 am (UTC) (Hard link)
What? He was in Married... with Children, Back to School, I'm the Man, etc. He was everywhere in the eighties, until his tragic death in 1992.
dewgirl From: dewgirl Date: August 31st, 2007 01:44 am (UTC) (Hard link)
huh. I looked him up, but.... nothing. The only reference of those that I'm at all familiar with is Married With Children.. haven't heard of the other two. Sorry!
shmivejournal From: shmivejournal Date: August 30th, 2007 06:05 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
i know everything
kingfox From: kingfox Date: August 31st, 2007 01:37 am (UTC) (Hard link)
And if you don't know it, you'll analyze it until you know it.
periol From: periol Date: August 31st, 2007 07:08 am (UTC) (Hard link)
The other day I was watching some random British movie with my roommate, and they referenced Sacco and Vanzetti and he didn't get the reference. How does the saying go? If you're ignorant of the past, you're doomed to repeat it.
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