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Poll #670183 A quick question stemming from a long conversation with utini2...

Which of the following bands have you heard of?

The Kinks
Iron Maiden

Which of the following bands do you enjoy?

The Kinks
Iron Maiden

Which was the better band?

The Kinks
Iron Maiden

Which was the more influential band?

The Kinks
Iron Maiden

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mrfantasy From: mrfantasy Date: February 10th, 2006 12:45 am (UTC) (Hard link)

Sorry, man.

Iron Maiden are no Kinks, although I do enjoy them both. The Kinks are very influential, and in terms of pure songwriting and arranging prowess outshine Maiden.

I would have conceded, if you had asked the question, that Maiden rock harder than the Kinks.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: February 10th, 2006 12:50 am (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Sorry, man.

Iron Maiden's influenced whole sub-genres of music. European death metal, speed metal, power metal, and just about anything with dual-guitar harmonization. Just about every single hard rock or metal artist lists Iron Maiden as an influence.

And, from the scientific study I did with utini2: More Google hits, longer Wikipedia article, longer Wikipedia talk page, twenty tribute albums as opposed to four, and more pop culture references.
dosboof From: dosboof Date: February 10th, 2006 01:02 am (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Sorry, man.

Now, given I voted for Maiden for "better band," but for "more influential," I went with the Kinks. Why?

Van Halen never covered an Iron Maiden song. Done and done.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: February 10th, 2006 01:51 am (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Sorry, man.

mrfantasy From: mrfantasy Date: February 10th, 2006 01:41 am (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Sorry, man.

"dual guitar harmonization"? Sort of like Queen did?

Wikipedia references do not count as objective evidence in my book, neither does influencing numerous sub-genres of metal, as opposed to the Kinks who influenced the entire craft of popular music.

Also, Weird Al has yet to pardody an Iron Maiden song. 'Nuff said.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: February 10th, 2006 02:01 am (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Sorry, man.

No. I've consulted petemagyar about this. Brian May's a great guitar player, but they just layered guitars harmonically. Iron Maiden actually did twin lead harmonization, while Queen mostly did contrapuntal harmonies. While Thin Lizzy may have really started it, Iron Maiden "used it to death" and really got it down.

Has Weird Al parodied Led Zeppelin? Black Sabbath? Clearly, they were nobodies and influenced no one.
periol From: periol Date: February 10th, 2006 05:40 am (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Sorry, man.

as one who used to like the kind of music that iron maiden plays, i know just how deep the rabbit hole goes. the kinks influenced more music that i like (so maybe i would call that greater influence), but iron maiden had a much broader impact, i would say. but i still like the kinks better.
jenniever From: jenniever Date: February 10th, 2006 12:24 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Sorry, man.

I'm agreeing with everyone who isn't Russ and Pete in this thread on the Kinks.

Sorry, hon.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: February 10th, 2006 02:32 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Sorry, man.

That's funny - Iron Maiden being the more influential and The Kinks being the better band is the opposite of what many I talked to last night said. It's interesting to see where people sit on this.
shmivejournal From: shmivejournal Date: February 10th, 2006 04:24 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Sorry, man.

The thing with the Kinks, though, at least in the 60's, they were not terribly different than their contemporaries -- they just had better more catchy songs. This is not true for Iron Maiden. I am under the impression that they were responsible for melding operatic singer + metaalllll and for that, I think they are more influential on metal.

But, it's confusing to some degree, because the question is confusing. It all depends on what sort of influence you're talking about -- Pop music, or metal? Metal was only mainstream for a short time, and even when it was mainstream, it wasn't the metal-metal that got to hold that title.

The Kinks /did/ get to be mainstream though, and thusly affected mainstream music -- so in sheer terms of numbers they would be more influential, but in sheer terms of uniqueness, maybe not.

And that is where my answers came from.

kingfox From: kingfox Date: February 10th, 2006 04:30 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Sorry, man.

And really, what's mainstream?

Iron Maiden's sold over sixty million records worldwide, but not as many in the US as their peers. You can't toss a dwarf in Europe without hitting some band that names Iron Maiden as their major influence, be they crazy gutteral death metal or whiny poppy metal. Japan through the late 80s and 90s and South America also were/are packed with their spawn. They just didn't hit the US as hard as they should have.
damnitnicole From: damnitnicole Date: February 10th, 2006 06:30 am (UTC) (Hard link)
I would say they're both about equally influential, each in their own generation and genre. Aside from personal taste (I prefer the music of Iron Maiden, so I would subjectively say they're the better band), there's really not much comparing the two.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: February 10th, 2006 02:33 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
I do understand that on some level I'm comparing apples to oranges instead of Red Delicious to Granny Smith, but if you can't do that on the internet and make sweeping generalizations about the comparison, where can you?
mobbdc From: mobbdc Date: February 10th, 2006 06:33 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
Maiden was far better. Bruce Dickenson was a great singer a la Dio.
babingatron From: babingatron Date: February 10th, 2006 06:55 pm (UTC) (Hard link)


If fleshbag has meaningless opinion, why does fleshbag not vote and register opinion for tabulation?

jedimentat From: jedimentat Date: February 11th, 2006 06:03 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
i love your one-eyed kitten icon.
and were the Kinks referenced by Bill and Ted? I don't think so. And we all know that Bill and Ted turn out to be the most influencial band in history and bring world peace.
kingfox From: kingfox Date: December 27th, 2007 02:21 am (UTC) (Hard link)
Do Bill and Ted have the 12th largest economy of the world, just above Belgium, like Dëthkløk? I wonder.

Let's get off the computers and make out.
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