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Go see RotK, do not pass Go, !(who:stick():credit(200))
Fuck yeah. Go see it. Go see it now. Fucking amazing. Get out of your chair and plop yourself in the theater.

So Gimli's no longer quite the overused comic relief he was in the second, Shelob fit much better for the movie version in the third part of the trilogy, and I can't wait to see the extended version with Saruman. Of course, due to the dialog and scenes at the end, I sincerely doubt there's a second version filmed with the original ending from the book. Which, in a way, is a shame. Sure, I understand it, and why it wouldn't fly in Hollywood.

We all remember the original ending to Clerks? Our hero Dante bites it. A powerful ending. One of Kevin Smith's mentors saw that ending and told him to fucking change it. Having watched both, I can understand why. Would have been a very different movie.

Imagine if AI ended when David jumped into the water. That would have been a blow, and an interesting end.

Earlier today, jenniever and I were discussing literature. She found Heart of Darkness too heavy, but appreciated it, despite not wanting to read it again. Some part of me really enjoys Heart of Darkness, Crime and Punishment, Requiem for a Dream, and Leaving Las Vegas. The books and movies that sucker punch you, drag you into an alley, kick the shit out of you, violate you, and leave you a sadder and wiser person when you rise the morrow morn. I love Blake and Candide, the former not just because Bruce Dickinson and The Fugs do, the latter not just because _yggdrasil and other cool people do. She prefers Wilde and Eliot. Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.

The ending to Ultima V was much more along the lines with the original ending to the trilogy. You become the Avatar in IV, the paragon of the eight virtues. In V you help return King Richard, I mean Lord British, from the crusade, I mean Abyss. King John, I mean Lord Blackthorn, is cast out. It's one of the hardest Ultimas, pitting you against the virtues being taken too far, forcing you to decide between letting one of you own party being destroyed for good or helping the vile Blackthorn in his quest to become an avatar. Shadowlords, Abyss, insane puzzles like having to play ``Stones'' at the end. So after you go through all of that, as in every Ultima game in the second trilogy, you go home. And your apartment's robbed. People were furious. They flamed Richard Garriot with great fury.

I suppose, if the original ending had been left in place, Peter Jackson would also have been flamed. While the book was bastardized, it was a decent adaptation, unlike some others. All in all, faithful enough for most fanboys I know to be pleased, except those fanboys so anal that even something created by Tolkien's undead corpse itself wouldn't be satisfactory.

Amazing battle scenes, as always. Amazing locations and scenery, as always. Great costumes, music, and special effects. The audience cheered more times than I can count, and even during some moments I expected to go over everyone's head.

UPDATE: I realize something this morning. When I was ten, quillter and my first stepfather took me to see Macbeth on Broadway. When they were reading me the play, so I would know what was going on, I got excited during the final battle. After all, no man of women born can defeat him, so surely some woman was going to slay Macbeth, right? quillter had read the books to me well before introducing me to Shakespeare.

And now, even though I had a nap before we left, I seriously need some sleep. Good night teenagers. See you in twenty-three hours, peace, and think number one.

Feeling: tired tired

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kingfox From: kingfox Date: December 17th, 2003 06:47 am (UTC) (Hard link)

I'm not even supposed to be here today!

Read the page, click on the link. hiphopatcong and his brother had an extra ticket, so they invited me to join them and Stanlick for an amazing day of View Askewness.
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kingfox From: kingfox Date: December 17th, 2003 10:44 am (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: I'm not even supposed to be here today!

Thinks like the scenes where Brian had a cold, where Jeff checked out Lisa's ass and then asked her out leading to their marriage, the cut motorcycle scene, changed lines, etc.

I would tell you more, but you thought Jay and Silent Bob was lame, so you're a heathen who will burn in the fiery pits of hell.
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kingfox From: kingfox Date: December 17th, 2003 12:07 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: I'm not even supposed to be here today!

But diss Mallrats and Dogma? The former is light and funny, the latter is well done (though admittedly much better in the special edition version).

Though, as I've said many times, Kevin Smith could wipe a bowel movement of his on the silver screen and I'd applaud it as a masterpiece.
periol From: periol Date: December 17th, 2003 11:00 am (UTC) (Hard link)

Good Books

I'm with you on all those books. They're all about LIFE, especially Requiem and Crime&Punishment, even if it isn't the life we want to think about. When I get depressed, I want to really be depressed, instead of avoiding it, for the same reasons. To avoid the shit is to live halfway...
kingfox From: kingfox Date: December 17th, 2003 12:05 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Requiem was a book?

I used to be that way, watching the depressing movies when I'm depressed, and watching the comedies when happy. Now I usually do the opposite. When I'm too cheery and giddy, I'll hit myself with a dose of the 12 Monkeys or something bleak along those lines. Too depressed, I'll watch Big Trouble or something equally funny/light-hearted.

Maybe it's a form of self-medicating.
periol From: periol Date: December 17th, 2003 05:09 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Requiem was a book?

Actually, I try to be careful about that shit. I read and watch a lot, but if I'm going to get carried away, I want to be ready for it. I would rather have the emotions from real life than from movies or books - although music throws my whole theory off. shit.

Requiem is a great book. Actually, quite different from the movie, more crazy in some ways, less so in others. Definitely worth a read.

Anyways, to respond to your real comment, when I'm feeling good, I'm usually not watching movies/tv/reading, I'm usually out there doing something. The flight out to CA from NYC was great, bc I was sort of down about the whole divorce thing, but it was so beautiful outside I couldn't hold onto my sadness.

BTW, I don't know if you've heard of The Darkness, but I think you may like them...
jenniever From: jenniever Date: December 17th, 2003 06:56 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Requiem was a book?

I think this is replying to the whole thread...

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about Dostoyevsky and Conrad - I love Conrad. He's the fucking queen of the meta-narrative and that makes me adore him. And I'm sure the aformentioned films have their artistic and structural merits (I haven't seen them). As someone who wants to be a literary theorist as their primary occupation until they die (see, it would be really funny to me if I wasn't so serious...actually, it is kinda funny, anyway.), I make it my job to learn discernment and appreciation - So I agree with everyone on the whole good book about life, yadda, yadda, yadda thing. So that's my little defense of my conversation with Russ.

For pleasure, however, I don't see as my preferences as avoidance of the dark side thing. I just happen to prefer a different take on...the dark. If I really want to be depressed, The Stranger would be my first choice over Heart of Darkness. Just as Slapstick or a Picture of Dorian Gray would be my first choice over Crime and Punishment. I was depressed for too long to take seriously a straight shot of...well, LIFE, on a regular basis. But then again, I'm guessing our perspectives on the function and purpose of literature probably differ greatly.

In terms of the whole depressed/happy thing - my tastes are the same for both. On the whole, the books I would list as my favorite don't really seem to waver to either side. They're neither uplifting nor depressing. i.e. Kundera's Immortality or Nabokov's Despair (Despair, despite it's title, I found insanely funny the first time..it was the second time that it became acutely saddening...the reverse for Immortality)I'm not sure what that's indicative of. Maybe the fact that I'm a robot.

on a side note: peter, I'm starting in on Hardy this week.

my two cents,
Jenni
periol From: periol Date: December 17th, 2003 08:52 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

Re: Requiem was a book?

Hardy?

Awesome. Prepare for the dark side. He doesn't have much faith in humanity.

Right now I'm reading Umberto Eco's "Baudalino" which has a rather interesting take on the same subject. Very good, not at all depressing - actually it is pretty funny.
towelboy From: towelboy Date: December 17th, 2003 08:17 pm (UTC) (Hard link)

saw it, of course

scouring of the shire is definitely not in the movie at all, though it gets an homage in the fellowship of the ring, during the mirror of galadriel scene.

that movie was so fucking good. i am still orgasming, so i will say no more here, but save it for my own post.

glad someone else i know went to see it as soon as I did.
mineral2 From: mineral2 Date: December 17th, 2003 11:00 pm (UTC) (Hard link)
I was wondering about that whole ending deal. I could have sworn that bilbo died before the elves left and that Frodo didn't go with them.. and that Gandalf was the posessor of the 3rd elf ring. I'll check the book when I get home.
idunn From: idunn Date: December 22nd, 2003 10:50 am (UTC) (Hard link)
I haven't read the original books of Tolkiens', except for the Hobbit, which I practically inhaled when I was ten (I read a lot for my age, notably books like Jurassic Park and Carrie before I hit middle school), so I'm not sure what 'original ending' you refer to concerning Frodo and the others. I'm gonna go raid my sisters' library in a bit.

Whenever I write stories, so often they end ... 'weird', as someone once described them to me. Even if they're happy, they're bittersweet. I don't like 'dancing away into the sunset' type endings, because they feel false, like there wasn't a big enough sacrifice going on. RoTK's strength, I felt, was that Frodo still sort've lost. Sure, he destroyed the One Ring, but his scars never healed, and he never felt at home again in the Shire. You can see it in his face, even a few years later, and then off he goes to the distant shores with Gandalf and Bilbo and the elves. It's like all the magic leaving the world. I was pretty sad about the elves' leaving.

Fight Club's original ending by Chuck Palachniuk was different than the movie version's (although I prefer the latter's), but no less dark. Lolita, Wicked, Requiem for a Dream ... Titus is in particular dark and bizarre.
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